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Seth as an After Death Guide

When Seth uses the name, “Rubert”, he’s referring to Jane. According to Seth, Rubert is Jane’s larger self. Since Jane’s husband, Rob is recording this Session, Seth is talking to him. – Pete

Seth as an After Death Guide.At one time—in your terms—I myself acted as such a guide; as in a sleep state Ruburt now follows the same road. The situation is rather tricky from the guide’s viewpoint, for psychologically utmost discretion must be used. One man’s Moses, as I discovered, may not be another man’s Moses. I have served as a rather creditable Moses on several occasions—and once, though this is hard to believe, to an Arab.

The Arab was a very interesting character, by the way, and to illustrate some of the difficulties involved, I will tell you about him. He hated the Jews, but somehow he was obsessed with the idea that Moses was more powerful than Allah, and for years this was the secret sin upon his conscience. He spent some time in Constantinople at the time of the Crusades. He was captured, and ended up with a group of Turks, all to be executed by the Christians, in this case very horribly so. They forced his mouth open and stuffed it with burning coals, as a starter. He cried to Allah and then in greater desperation to Moses, and as his consciousness left his body, Moses was there.

He believed in Moses more than he did Allah, and I did not know until the last moment which form I was to assume. He was a very likable chap, and under the circumstances I did not mind when he seemed to expect a battle for his soul. Moses and Allah were to fight for him. He could not rid himself of the idea of force, though he had died by force, and nothing could persuade him to accept any kind of peace or contentment, or any rest, until some kind of battle was wrought.

A friend and I, with some others, staged the ceremony, and from opposite clouds in the sky Allah and I shouted out our claims upon his soul—while he, poor man, cowered on the ground between us. Now, while I tell this story humorously, you must understand that the man’s belief brought it about, and so to set him free, we worked it through.

I called upon Jehovah, but to no avail, because our Arab did not know of Jehovah—only of Moses—and it was in Moses he put his faith. Allah drew a cosmic sword and I set it afire so that he dropped it. It fell to the ground and set the land aflame. Our Arab cried out again. He saw leagues of followers behind Allah, and so leagues of followers appeared behind me. Our friend was convinced that one of the three of us must be destroyed, and he feared mightily that he would be the victim.

Finally the opposing clouds in which we appeared came closer. In my hand I held a tablet that said: “Thou shalt not kill.” Allah held a sword.

As we came closer we exchanged these items, and our followers merged. We came together, forming the image of a sun (spelled out), and we said: “We are one.”

The two diametrically opposed ideas had to merge or the man would have had no peace, and only when these opposites were united could we begin to explain his situation.

Jane’s trance had been deep, although she recalled parts of Seth’s adventure. She said she had a series of images which paralleled the material, yet she couldn’t describe them now.

(The Crusades consisted of a series of military expeditions sent out by the Christian powers in the eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth centuries, to recover the Holy Land from the Moslems. While Seth was giving the data, Jane said, she wondered what an Arab would be doing in Turkish Constantinople in those days. I explained the geography of the region. Presumably, such a traveler could have reached Constantinople [now Istanbul], by an overland journey across Turkey, which lay north of the Arab lands, or by sailing the eastern Mediterranean around Turkey, through the Dardanelles and so into the city. Distances in the Middle East are comparatively short.

(Jane literally has no sense of geography or of distance, that have unwittingly worked to her advantage in sessions. On the other hand, she has an unerring sense of direction in local surroundings, and can indicate the points of the compass far better than I can. – Rob)

Now: To be such a guide requires great discipline and training.

Before the event just mentioned, for example, I had spent many lifetimes acting as a guide under the tutorship of another in my daily sleep states.

Session 536, Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul Copyright © Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder – Laurel Davies-Butts

Posted on Seth Speaks by Oceanside Rick, Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:54 pm (PST).


Great post, Rick! It reminds me of so many dreams I’ve had where I knew others were trying to help me understand myself and the nature of creation. In some dreams I actually look for the guides who are helping me. Even though they often appear in other guises, I can identify them if I want to. In one recurring
nightmare that repeated many times over many years, until I finally understood what it was trying to teach me (http://realtalkworld.com/2007/09/27/my-recurring-superman-nightmare/), I acknowledged the patience of the actors and thanked them. Just saying this makes me appreciate the magic and wonder of life and All That Is that much more.

Life in any form truly is a gift because it gives us the opportunity to discover and know our true selves.

Pete – http://realtalkworld.com

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world around you, forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create our reality from what we believe about ourselves, and the world around us.

If we do not consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create our reality, can we afford not to question them?

The more we love, understand and appreciate ourselves, the better we treat ourselves, and the world.

Blessings of love and understanding be to us all!

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of your experience. Look for them!

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