The Conscious Creator Forum

by Pete on June 29, 2013

Do you want to become a more conscious creator? So do I. We’re all creators, whether we know it or not, whether we create our reality consciously or unconsciously, actively or passively. To become Conscious Creators, we must realize that our thoughts, in the form of beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations, create our reality. Idealists by nature, we do the best we can with what we know. Even though we may sometimes do “bad” things, it’s not because we’re “bad” but rather that we’re under the influence of poorly conceived and defined ideas that remain unquestioned and unchallenged. Curiosity, exploration and experimentation are necessary for learning to take place. As we understand more, we do better!

We Create Your Own Reality

The vibrational interaction between awareness and energy, Consciousness, is the Source and Substance of All That Is. As Beings of Aware Energy, we think, feel, act and react (conceive and perceive); therefore, we ARE. As we think, feel, act and react, we create. To change what we create, we change our beliefs and feelings, how we act and react. We are both one with, and separate from, All That Is. We are both products of creation and creation itself!

Pushed from within by the Impulse to Be and Create, and pulled from without by the Promise of Being and Creation, it is up to us to determine the difference between what we like and what we don’t like, what works for us and what doesn’t, what makes us happy and what doesn’t.

The challenge of being and creation is learning how to use the power of thought and imagination to shape energy, money included, into a pleasing reality. The prize is a sense of satisfaction, the feeling of a job well done. Like learning how to walk and talk, it is a personal, subjective endeavor that requires creative aggression. It is a great balancing act where we, like babies, must accept falling down as part of learning how to stand up.

Remember: thoughts are “things” with a reality of their own, and you, an artist. With thoughts in the form of beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations, you paint the landscape of your life. Create a great day!

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Entrance to Stanford University.Create A Place of Safety

As you participate in the Conscious Creator Forum, please create a place of safety. Be willing to:

  • Suspend judgment.
  • Be playful and have fun.
  • Keep an open heart and mind.
  • Be patient. Remember, we’re all doing the best we can with what we know and, as we understand more, we do better.
  • Learn and teach a loving, playful and empowering form of reality creation.

Ideas in the form of beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations are both the blueprints and building blocks of reality. As you think, act and react, you create. To change what you create, you change what you think, how you act and how you react. Instead of waiting for “officially sanctioned thinkers” to think for you, philosophers, theologians, teachers, gurus and even parents, you can choose to be Self-Driven in your search for greater knowledge and understanding. You can BE the change you wish to see! For more information on Self-Driven learning, review Education Scientist, Sugata Mitra and his Child Driven Education videos on YouTube. Educator, Dr. Ken Robinson, gave a TED talk that to date, is the second most watched video on TED. He believes our educational system, as it is, destroys imagination.

“Sit down, shut up and do as I tell. I’m the teacher and I know what’s best for you!” – teacher to me in the First grade when I asked him how public schools treated students after a traumatizing experience at the nearby Catholic school (see, What I Learned in Catholic School). Based on personal experience I know authoritarianism stifles imagination, no matter how covertly it’s hidden.

To see how easy it is to change what we think, consider these two words: responsibility and flexibility. By changing the word “responsibility” to Response Ability, we change it from an obligation to respond, control from the outside-in, to an ability to respond, which means it’s something we can control and improve upon. Instead of mandatory, it becomes voluntary. The same with the word, flexibility. As “flexibility”, it’s a measure of how far we can bend over or twist our torso. As Flex-Ability, it describes any ability, mental or physical, that allows us to conceive and perceive ideas and things in new and different ways. Again, it’s an ability we can grow and develop. Instead of building a rocket and flying to the moon to see that the earth is a “big blue marble”, at great expense, we can determine that through dreams and imagination for free! Remote Viewing is an accepted way of using the power of imagination. Building rockets to fly to Mars or the Moon is cool but we don’t have to.

Here’s a thought. If someone tells us we’re bad and can’t be trusted, that’s one thing. If we keep repeating that self-defeating message to ourselves over and over again, without question, isn’t that on us? And if it’s only us talking to ourselves, why don’t we speak up and tell that thought-form to piss off? Instead of cozying up to ideas that make us feel bad and unworthy, why not look for ideas that feel right to us, ideas that not only define us more accurately and fully, based on our personal experiences in life and dreams but ideas that reflect more of what and who we long to be. For example, instead of asking, what do I have to do today for the self I’ll be tomorrow, why not ask, what can I do today for the self I’ll be tomorrow. Instead of loading yourself with a burden, why not send yourself some love and magic? Open up your heart and mind and let the universe participate in fulfilling your request. Ask yourself and the universe: what works and makes me happy? Include everyone in that question by asking: what works and makes us happy? Imagine everyone asking that question with you at the same time. How does it make you feel?

Live by Value Fulfillment and Practice Idealism

To seek the greatest understanding and serve the highest good, is to live by value fulfillment and practice idealism. In other words, it is to determine the qualities of being and creation we value most, our ideals, and actualize them to the best of our ability. The self is our seat of power and the present is our point of power. Use it to become a conscious creator of your own reality! What’s more exciting, or worth doing, than changing ourselves for the better to change the world for the better? As Gandhi says: “You must be the change you wish to see in the world.”

For inspiration and motivation, watch this “most watched” TED Talk video on YouTube by Tony Robbins: Why Do We Do What We Do? He fearlessly thinks outside the lines, which is what we must do to expand our awareness and become conscious creators of our reality. Asking who, what, when and where gives us information but it doesn’t help us understand “why” we think and do the things we do. When we ask ourselves why we think and do the things we do, we expose the underlying beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations that lie hidden in our subconscious minds and in the symbolism of our cultural institutions. Ours is to reason why, not to do or die. (the converse of “Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die,” a quote from the poem, The Charge Of The Light Brigade by Alfred, Lord Tennyson.)

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What Works and Makes Us Happy?

The list of questions below will get the ball rolling. But, first, remember that words are labels and many thoughts, feelings, perspectives and objectives can hide behind each one. It all depends on who’s looking at them and what they’re looking for. As beings of aware energy, we can explore ideas in two ways, from the inside-out (subjectively) or, from the outside-in (objectively).

For example, we can talk about humor as a concept or we can feel and explore humor as an experience to see where it will take us. When words, music, and landscapes inspire us with love or fear, we’re feeling them subjectively and objectively at the same time. Here’s a great example of exploring an idea from the inside-out. In early 1980, I was given a set of Seth tapes from a woman who knew Jane Roberts, the woman who channeled Seth. On one of the tapes, Seth, through Jane, talked about the nature of time. As I listened to the discussion, lying on the floor with my eyes closed, the sound of his/her voice began to slow down. Soon, his words began to break up into separate sound packs. Gradually, they grew further and further apart, until there was no sound at all. As the silence in my mind grew, my desire to hear the another sound grew. Finally, much to my relief, it happened. There was a single sound and then another and another until the individual sound packets began to connect and form meaningful words and sentences. Not only was I hearing an objective discussion about the nature of time, I was experiencing it!

Out of that experience and many others, I’ve been able to conceive the following:

  • Perceiving the difference between nothing and something is the first step in creating anything.
  • Perceiving  differences between you and me, whether we’re single units of aware energy or complex beings of aware energy, is the first step in creating individuality and self-awareness.
  • Playing with ideas like here and there, whether we refer to someplace we’ve been or someplace we’d like to go, is the first step in creating the reality of space.
  • Playing with ideas like now and then, whether we refer to the past or future, is the first step in creating the reality of time.

As simple or complex beings of aware energy (awareness and action) we evolve into greater complexity through the expansion of awareness and understanding. In other words, the more we know, the more we can become and the more we can do.

***Under Construction***

What works and makes us happy versus, right and wrong, good and bad. It’s important to see and understand the difference between value judgment and value fulfillment. Value Judgment is a framework of ideas born out of fear and a belief in the need to control others from the outside-in. In dreams and other realities that lack concern for pain, suffering or death, realities where, like an actor, you only pretend to feel pain, suffer or die and then go on to the next experience, external value judgments like right and wrong, good and bad are meaningless and therefore, unnecessary. In alternate realities where concepts of pain, suffering, and death go unexplored, there just Is! There is what we like and what we don’t like, what works for us and what doesn’t, what makes us happy and what doesn’t.

As beings of aware energy, we’re indestructible. Sure, as a human being, we can get sick, suffer pain and die but not as a form of pure energy or personality energy essence, that portion of the self that feels, dreams and imagines, that portion of the self that organizes itself around its experience which is our native state of being.   Both represent bi-polar opposites like love and hate. As unique beings, we’re free to explore the differences between bipolar opposite thoughts and behaviors to the extent society lets us or we decide we want to. it’s similar to asking ourselves, what works and what doesn’t, what makes me happy and what doesn’t. It’s not quite as effective as asking ourselves, what works and makes us happy because “good and bad” are still judgments.  allows us to evaluate our experience in a way that allows us to learn the difference between what we like and what we don’t like, what works for us and what doesn’t

***End Construction***

What are we?

Who are we?

What’s reality?

What’s the purpose of life?

What about value judgment?

What about value fulfillment?

What about measuring success?

  1. Money, power, and privilege?
  2. Love, truth, and joy?

What do we know that we don’t know we know?

What can we do that we don’t know we can do?

Where do we begin and where do we end?

What about “Fear”? There are two types of fear:

  1. Natural Fear enables our bodies and minds to spontaneously react to immediate threats in our biological and mental environments. In response to an immediate environmental threat, an oncoming car, for example, our bodies will react to save us from harm. Our minds, sensing the threat of a negative thought, will immediately replace it with a positive one, if unnatural fear does not gum up the works.
  2. Unnatural Fear is fear of non-local or imaginary events that have no direct effect upon us. When we obsessively look for possible, probable or improbable events to be afraid of, are we not running from the fear of suffering and death? When we give non-local or imaginary events energy by worrying about them, we give them power. If we give them enough power, we may draw them into our experience in one form or another. If, on the other hand, we accept them for what they are, as subjective or mental thought-forms, and let them go their merry way, how can they affect us? Some may laugh at this but what makes storytelling or advertising work? Why do militaries engage in “psychological warfare” (Psyops) if not to intentionally manipulate public thought and opinion? Why do political organizations hire “spin doctors” or “dirty trick masters”? When we spend too much time worrying about phantom or unreal events, we interfere with the body’s natural ability to function by keeping it on alert when it doesn’t have to be? We all explore unnatural fear as young children. Scaring others, or being scared is exciting. It makes us feel alive! What happens if we indulge in unnatural fear too much? Can it result in illness and death? Does unnatural fear contribute to a sense of separation between us and others? Can it make us feel isolated and alone? Can it limit or distort our perception of reality? Yes to all these things! Can we let unnatural fear paralyze us physically and mentally? What are the best ways for us to deal with this phenomenon? What works and makes us happy?

What about Love? There are two types of love.

  1. Unconditional Love says: “Nothing you can think, feel, say or do can keep you from being loved.” – the Voice of Unconditional Love from Encounter with Unconditional Love. In the presence of unconditional love, you feel loved for who you are. You know there’s nothing you must be or do to be loved. In an environment of unconditional acceptance, who wouldn’t want to perform miracles to show gratitude and appreciation? Who wouldn’t feel like living for the love of Being and Creation? Unconditional Love is the opposite of unnatural fear and feelings of separation. Subject to cultural judgments of right and wrong, good and bad, reinforced by the threat of guilt and punishment over a lifetime, how many of us wouldn’t be afraid of expressing unconditional love? How many of us wouldn’t be afraid of where it would take us, of what levels of condemnation it might expose us to?
  2. Conditional Love says: “There’s much you can think, feel, say and do that’s bad or wrong.” Conditional love subjects us to guilt and punishment. It’s meant to control our behavior from the outside in, through stimulus and response, reward and punishment. It’s highly manipulative and based on limited understanding, fear, and distrust. Instead of living for the love of Being and Creation, we often run and compete to avoid suffering and death. Feeling like nobody, we struggle to be somebody. We use money, power, and privilege, instead of love, truth and joy to measure our success. As beings of Aware Energy (spiritual beings), we’re timeless. In material form, we’re mortal and subject to hunger, disease, injury and death. In dreams and movies, we die and get up. As beings of flesh and blood, we die. What’s not to be afraid of?

Do you want to love and be loved unconditionally? Know that what you give is what you get. Give love and you get love. One morning, you’ll wake up feeling loved like never before and it will be because you’ve been sending love out into the world and the energy of that love has finally returned to you.

My favorite love exercise is a variation of the Catholic Sign of the Cross. If you’re not familiar with it, it involves touching your forehead, your heart, your left shoulder and your right shoulder as you repeat: “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen”. The “Father” in this ritual is God, the “Son” is Jesus Christ, and the “Holy Spirit” refers to their “sacred” Father/Son relationship. “Amen” closes the blessing.

Rather than jigger with the meanings behind the ideas of “Father, Son” and “Holy Spirit,” I say: I love You, I love Me and I Love our Relationship, Amen. Sometimes, I touch my forehead, heart, left shoulder and right shoulder as well to give this meditation more reality. I call it a meditation as opposed to ritual because I consciously imagine different people and things as the object of “You.” Sometimes, I think of different people, plants, animals, my inner self, the cells in my body, All That Is, anything that seems right at the moment.

I created a new ritual because the Catholic Sign of the Cross makes me feel left out in the cold, outside the Sacred Circle of Life, as if I’m a nobody and must be trained to worship somebody. I’m left to ask myself; is this some form of subliminal programming to teach us not to question but to obey authority? My personal version of the Catholic Sign of the Cross brings All That Is into the Sacred Circle of Life. That’s what works and makes me happy. What works and makes you happy?

What about religion?

What about Evil? Discussion example:

Is it better to think of evil as “real”, which gives it the power to frighten, control and even destroy us (exciting, yes, but desirable)? Or, is it better to see it as a figment of human imagination, a lack of understanding or perception, misapplied ideals or misinformation, something we can outgrow or recover from? Instead of focusing on fear and “Evil”, should we look for the good in ourselves and each other to give love room to grow? Should we concentrate on learning how to use our power of thought and imagination to shape energy into a pleasing reality? Should we pay less attention to what we don’t want and more attention to what we do want?

A Seth Snippet posted on Facebook by Lynda Madden Dahl:

“Only true compassion and love will lead to an understanding of the nature of good, and only these concepts will serve to annihilate the erroneous and distortive concepts of evil.

“The simple fact is that as long as you believe in the concept of evil, it is a reality in your system, and you will always find it manifested. Your belief in it will, therefore, seem highly justified. If you carry this concept through succeeding generations, through reincarnations, then you add to its reality.” – Seth Speaks, Session 550

What about Competition? “Competition” implies winning and losing, survival and death. It can be playful or serious. We can use it for constructive or destructive purposes. We can compete against ourselves in an attempt to do better today than we did yesterday or, we can compete against each other to survive as individuals and species and to be right versus wrong, good versus bad, to be winners versus losers. How much of our time and thinking is tied up with comparative thoughts like “I win, you lose; I’m right, you’re wrong; I’m good, you’re bad; I’m smart, you’re stupid; I’m strong, you’re weak; I’m rich, you’re poor; I’m beautiful, you’re ugly; I work hard, you’re lazy”? Competition can work for us or against us. Like most ideas, it’s all in how we use it. Again, what works and makes us happy?

What about Money? “Money” is a material form of energy. Whether it was first seen as a way to make the creation, development and exchange of goods and services, or the collection of taxes simpler and easier, is irrelevant. Unfortunately, some of us now mistakenly assume that money is more valuable than the intention and creativity of people themselves, and they hoard it. As money is removed from circulation, privately held Federal Reserve Banks print and the U.S.  Treasury mints more with nothing to back it up except public trust in the “Full Faith and Credit of the U.S. Government” clause in section IV of the U.S Constitution. Money is being created out of thin air!

How long can this go on before the public loses faith in the value of money? As obsession with money grows, it loses value in two ways.

  1. The quality of products go down and shrink in size to extract more profit.
  2. As money is removed from circulation and more created, its value becomes diluted, paving the way for inflation or rising prices. In other words, it takes more money to buy less.

Remove blood from parts of the body and those parts die. Shortly afterward, the entire body will die. In Monopoly, the person who wins all the money and property ends the game; so what’s the point? Is “winning” more important than the game itself? If someone does win and brings the game to an end, does that signal the need to create a new and better game?

Some questions concerning the distribution of money:

  1. Is one person’s time more valuable than another?
  2. Can we let money control our lives?
  3. Can we do for love, what we do for money?
  4. What works and makes us happy?

What about business?

What about Education? What does the word, “education” mean to some? Does it mean filling us up with information or programming ourselves? Are we blank slates for others to write on, dry sponges for others to fill, or are we sophisticated robots for others to program? Or, are we both Products of Creation and Creation Itself? Are we here to HOPE for a nice day or are we here to CREATE a beautiful day? Which perspective do you prefer? What works best and makes you happiest?

Should we accept responsibility for our thoughts and actions? If we don’t, how can we develop our Response Ability (our ability to respond to events effectively in any given moment)? What if, instead of calling it an EDUCATION system, we call it a LEARNING system? What if, instead of forcing ourselves to absorb information out of a sense of duty, a need for approval, or fear, we support each other for the living, loving, growing and changing aspects of consciousness we are? If we support our self-development, wouldn’t that make us more likely to respect that need in others? Wouldn’t we have reason to like ourselves more and fear others less?

What about the Environment? Nature can survive without us, but we cannot survive without nature. If we consume the earth’s resources faster than they can replace themselves; if we fail to respect the Earth and its resources, how can we expect it to take care of us? Isn’t it like failing to respond to our own body’s need for food? What happens if we ignore the needs of those around us? If we fail to acknowledge and respond to our needs and the needs of those around us, what happens? Problems escalate until we wake up and do something about them. In extreme cases of denial, catastrophic or life-changing events may result. Relationships may fail. People may become ill or have an accident. They may die.

For example, there was a man who used to ride my bus to and from work every day. He had a good job that was well-paying but kept to himself. Over the years I heard stories of him drinking at local bars and getting into fights. One day he disappeared. After many weeks had passed, I asked a co-worker what happened to him. She said he had been drinking and fell on the stairs at home, hitting his head on the way down. In a coma for weeks, he was now awake and in rehab.

When this passenger returned to work, he was a different person. He had stopped drinking and instead of going home after work; he would have me drop him off at various thrift stores around the County. It turned out he was collecting material to construct unique toys and works of art for kids in need. He was much more friendly and talkative now, and one day, he showed me several examples of his work. They were amazing! Magically, after his fall, he had become a gentle, loving soul. The greatest benefit of his change was a renewed relationship with his former wife and their child. He was now welcome in their home.

Do you know someone who’s had a similar life-changing experience? Have you had life-changing experiences to a greater or lesser degree? Many years ago, my teenage daughter, Crystal, visited relatives in Maine with my wife, Sandra, and came back a changed person. She had quit smoking and become much more sensitive to other people and their needs.

Is it time to acknowledge our dependence upon the earth and our Inner relationship with higher consciousness? Is life more of a balancing act and less an act of personal aggression? Can we ignore the need for balance without having our lives collapse?

What about Peace?

What about Government?

What about self-development?

What about Health? How much power do we have over the state of our health? How much attention do we pay to our body and life when it talks to us? How much illness, injury, and death is the result of ignoring warning signs, of refusing to listen to the inner voice of our being?

What about Sexual Expression?

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“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world form your intent, which, in turn, creates your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create our reality from what we choose to believe about ourselves, and the world around us.

If we don’t consciously choose our beliefs, we Unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create our reality, can we afford not to question them?

The more we love, understand and appreciate ourselves, the better we treat ourselves, and the world.

As we think, feel, act and react, we create.

To change what we create, we change what we believe and feel, how we act and react.

Change for the better? Yes, we can!

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of our experience. Look for them!

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Sandra Peterson June 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM

WHAT ABOUT EVIL? Big subject. I don’t believe in evil in biblical terms, that the devil in us makes us do it. The devil has never been real for me, only a name for behavior we don’t understand. I think that the terms “evil” and “fear” are closely related.

But what about serial killers? What about home invasions? What about drug-induced crime and indiscriminate, despicable harm done to innocents? How can our minds reconcile with these behaviors and say there is no evil?

Maybe it’s because we can say that there is a reason for every kind of behavior. There is a story behind every “evil” person’s actions. You could say that a serial killer needs to kill because of something in his/her past that caused a traumatic series of psychological “messages” that led to undesirable actions. Is a drunken driver “evil” when he/she kills an entire family? You could say that alcoholism is a disease and it was the disease, not the person, that caused the accident. There are many other examples.

Should so called “evil” persons be put to death for their actions? I think we want to do that because of fear. We want to do that so they won’t be able to do their horrible deeds again. What are we here on earth for? Isn’t it to learn and grow? If you believe in reincarnation and life after death, aren’t we here to learn all we can in a lifetime so that we can be ready to learn even more in the next? Aren’t we meant to evolve? If so, it is possible to look at “evil” as just a learning experience.

Janet Glatz June 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Evil. Another word for Karma? In your comment, Sandy, you talk of serial killers and such from their viewpoint only. What about the effect such “crimes” have on the victims? They, too, have
life (and death) lessons to live out. Their demise then moves outward to affect many, many others. As painful as such events are, they serve to teach us all something.

Regarding creativity and the environment–some generous folks are creating art that literally and physically serves/enhances/heals the environment. Others, like myself, create art that strives to educate the world about the need for change. When we plant a garden, we actually create a better world. When we water the flowers, we create burgeoning growth and beauty. (http://www.janetglatzmaineart.com/)

Pete June 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Great comments, both of you (wife and sister in-law)! If we can get past the blood and guts of waking reality, we can see that there are reasons for everything we do. In Yes! Magazine, April 13, 2013, Frances Moore Lappé posted the following article entitled: Could Our Deepest Fears Hold the Key to Ending Violence? It begins:

In his book, Violence, psychologist James Gilligan asked a Massachusetts prison inmate, “What do you want so badly that you would sacrifice everything in order to get it?”
The inmate declared, “Pride. Dignity. Self-esteem … And I’ll kill every motherfucker in that cell block if I have to in order to get it.”

Or, as another inmate said, “I’ve got to have my self-respect, and I’ve declared war on the whole world till I get it.”

There’s no doubt that the purpose for Gilligan’s visit to a Massachusetts prison was to gather information for his book, Violence. There’s also no doubt that his question to inmates, “What do you want so badly that you would sacrifice everything in order to get it?”, is leading. If it leads my thoughts in a negative, violent direction, what does it do to inmates who are in jail as violent offenders?

What if he had asked a question like: What do you want more than anything else in All That Is? Would he get the same answer? I don’t think so. When I asked myself that question one day, an invisible male voice, about six inches in front of my forehead, said: “Love.” That’s it, I thought, more than anything else in All That Is, I want to love and be loved, unconditionally!

If the first inmate answered Gilligan’s question with “Pride. Dignity. Self-esteem….”, how does he define these words, and how does he figure that killing “every motherfucker in that cell block if I have to…” will provide him with “Pride. Dignity. Self-esteem”? How does the second inmate define self-respect if he says: “I’ve got to have my self-respect, and I’ve declared war on the whole world till I get it.”? Instead of examining ourselves, what would happen if, instead, we examined our understanding of concepts like love, fear, pride, dignity, self-esteem and self-respect?

In her subtitle, Lappé suggests that: “Feelings of fear and powerlessness are driving the cycle of violence that surrounds us. To change that, we need to recognize that we need each other to thrive as individuals.”

Is anyone really bad or are our ideas about how to eliminate fear and powerlessness poorly conceived? Will killing people and putting the” fear of God” in those who remain, make anyone safe? Is that the way it works? Will it make us happy? I don’t think so. What about you? If we stop judging ourselves and, instead, give ourselves room to breathe, can’t we resolve many of the issues we face today? Change for the better? Yes, we can!

Pete December 10, 2013 at 9:27 AM

If we can paint ourselves into corners, we can paint ourselves out. 🙂

Janet October 13, 2015 at 6:23 AM

Whew? So many questions! I am overwhelmed by the sheer breadth of them. I’d like to see one question, then your (Pete’s) opinions on it. I know you don’t want to tell people how to think, but if they can find out if they agree with you, I think they might be more apt to follow you.

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